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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56082

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Here's the message I get. A couple of other members of my exec tried from different locations/servers and get a similar problem. Help please: I need to email my members about the exec elections!

I believe the agenda mail function on the website still works though; I just can seem to input the group addresses into my Outlook; or Gmail, etc.

From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
To:
@gmail.com


The original message was received at Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:36:07 GMT
from mail-yw0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]

The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
|/etc/tcmail.pl
(reason: 255)
(expanded from: <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>)

Transcript of session follows
Status: 500
Content-type: text/html

<h1>Software error:</h1>
<pre>Can't locate object method "message" via package "Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/local/share/perl5/Email/Sender/Transport/SMTP.pm line 218.
" (perhaps you forgot to load "Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/local/share/perl5/Email/Sender/Transport/SMTP.pm line 218.
"?) at /etc/smrsh/tcmail.pl line 856.
</pre>
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For help, please send mail to this site's webmaster, giving this error message
and the time and date of the error.

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[Tue Apr 5 15:36:20 2016] tcmail.pl: Can't locate object method "message" via package "Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/local/share/perl5/Email/Sender/Transport/SMTP.pm line 218.
[Tue Apr 5 15:36:20 2016] tcmail.pl: " (perhaps you forgot to load "Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/local/share/perl5/Email/Sender/Transport/SMTP.pm line 218.
[Tue Apr 5 15:36:20 2016] tcmail.pl: "?) at /etc/smrsh/tcmail.pl line 856.
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 255

Final-Recipient: RFC822; This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/etc/tcmail.pl
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 255
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:36:20 GMT


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To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Cc:
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:36:06 -0400
Subject: ODYSSEA - Élection du comité exécutif 2016–17 // Election of the 2016–17 Executive Committee
Envoyé de la part de Stefan Wesche / Sent on behalf of Stefan Wesche
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56083

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try now
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56084

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Thank you Steve for taking this on.

I'm happy to say that I no longer get the same error message, so you've clearly made some difference, but nobody got the message, and now I get a different error message (a .bin file was also attached, but I can't open it.):

Your message to (---@----.com in This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.) had the following error and was not delivered (11 retries):
[]
NOTE: This may be due to an invalid recipient address or high email volume at this time--try again later.
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56085

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Your message to (---@----.com in This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.) had the following error and was not delivered (11 retries):
[]
NOTE: This may be due to an invalid recipient address or high email volume at this time--try again later.



Was that the whole bounce message?... I think I likely just need to up the number of retries. Probably high email volume issue.
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56086

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Yes, that was the entire message. It mentioned only one email in the whole list - I'm not sure if it just tried with the first email address and never proceeded to the second. I was able to verify with at least one other member who didn't receive it, and I also am on that list but didn't receive it.
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56087

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Have you tried emailing the email address that it is choking on? (sending to it directly)
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56088

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Update: I just got the same bounce message again with reference to a second email address on the list.
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56089

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Ok, well l will have to come back to this later this evening... I am at my day job now... have to take care of that.
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OK, thanks for your efforts so far!
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56091

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One further update: I forwarded the bounce message to the two addresses that had bounced, and one of them has already confirmed reception, so the problem can't be on her end.

Cheers
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56094

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Stefan: so I did a few tweaks, and did a couple of test emails to my test member group and a test agenda send... No issues.

I am still thinking there was either an email volume overload or something else yesterday... I am seeing a number of SMTP send errors for the last few of days.


>>> Message to Brian: Brian, can you check out the SMTP workings on the server and maybe reset the email system? The SMTP errors looked a bit unusual to me.
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56097

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Thank you Steve (and Brian?) for all your help. The members list works again :)

Cheers,

Stefan
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56098

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I spoke too soon. The first message went through, but I had the wrong subject line and tried to resend, and the second one is now bouncing back. I've never had this problem before with these lists...

I note that our club's chair for this week's meeting was still able to send out the meeting agenda using the function on our FTH website.

Cheers,

Stefan
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Group email lists no longer work - it comes back as spam. 8 years 8 months ago #56099

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Can you send a test message with a simple subject. like "Test" or similar... Might be a problem with characters in the subject.
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Thanks Steve,
I think you may have diagnosed the issue.

I very much appreciate all your help.

Cheers,

Stefan
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Well, let me know what you find... we should not be having any issues with special characters.

If you confirm that is the case, I would very much appreciate any assistance you could contribute to helping me get rid of the issue.

Workarounds are fine, but much better to fix a problem if we can. ;)
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I believe it's the "en dash" "–", created with the following ALT code: ALT 0150
It is technically correct to use for ranges, including date ranges, but some programs have difficulty with it, so the workaround is to use the less-technically correct hyphen instead. I suspect the same problem would probably occur with the "em dash" "—", produced with ALT 0151.

I took out the two "–" from my subject line and poof – the message sent :)

Good luck with the fix!
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Hmmm Interesting. :unsure:

I will look into this... Do you mind if I contact you in the future regarding fixes?
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Sure, I don't mind at all. :)
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